Sunday, February 7, 2010

Gilgamesh's failure

Do you believe that Gilgamesh's journey ended in failure?

29 comments:

  1. I believed that his journey failed in the sense that he wasn't able to acheive eternal life. I expected that this would happen because before Enkidu and Gilgamesh embark on their journey (Chapter 2), Enkidu interprets a dream his partner has. He tells him that "everlasting life is not in [his] destiny.(17) Enkidu tells Gilgamesh that he shouldn't worry because he has been given the power to rule with authority and his success will be unmatched.
    Although Gilgamesh is feared and highly respected in his community he has to come to grips with the fact that his days are numbered. His plight reflects the human condition: life and then death. I'm reminded of famous public figures: athletes, film stars, musicians,etc who have died decades ago, but are still popular in our society. They are still praised by those who remember their legacy,but the fact remains that they are dead. Gilgamesh made a name for himself that continued beyond his death, but he wasn't able to escape death itself. In that sense, he and the entire human race have failed .

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  2. In a way I think Gilgamesh could not fail becouse he could not succeed no matter how hard he tried. If you are not allowed to have at least little shot to be succesful, you can hardly failed your mission. It was lost battle before it even started and it was waist of time.

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  3. Although his journey ended in failure, you could say he has raised himself to greater fame. The struggles he faces are commendable and help to secure his place in history.

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  4. Although Gilgamesh was unable to achieve the immortality that he strived for, I feel that his journey opened his eyes to the world and the people around him. Gilgamesh learned that he was meant to die and that he could not avoid death.
    This can be seen when he falls asleep and fails the test given by Utnapishtim. This shows that he is human with weaknesses and is meant to die. Also, when the serpant takes away the flower that is supposed to give Gilgamesh eternal youth, he learns that death really is unavoidable. However, at this point, Gilgamesh was thinking about his people and sharing the flower with them. This shows that he has changed and is beginning to realize the responsiblities of being a king for the people of Uruk. He sees the strong walls that he has built for Uruk and notices the beauty of the civilization. The journey helps Gilgamesh find his purpose in life and that is to guide the people of Uruk as a good and just king. He is not the person that he used to be in the beginning. Gilgamesh has overcome many obstacles and has changed himself into strong ruler through the help of Enkidu and the journey that has lead him to meaning of life. In the end, the Gods' purposes of creating Gilgamesh are carried out. The people of Uruk will benefit from Gilgamesh's wisdom and accomplishments and although people will die, humankind will live on and continue to prosper.

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  5. Although everlasting life is not in Gilgamesh's destiny, he achieved it by killing Humbaba and Bull of Heaven. In addition, he used his great power to build one of the most famous kingdom- the Uruk. His name will be known after thousands of years, he will always be that 'perfect man' in people's imagination. On the other hand, his action did led to bad consequences, he lost his closest friend Enkidu, and he made hundreds of his citizens lost their lives (Bull of Heaven)by pissing off the gods.

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  6. I believe Gilgamesh did not fail. He went through all that journey and in the end he didn't get eternal life. He feels scared that he is going great lengths. Even the Gods in the story tell him. But I think he accomplished what he was suppose to do. In the dream interpreted he was suppose to carve his name in the wall where great men write their name and no man has ever done so. Well I think he accomplished that by making name known even by the Gods. The people of his kingdom and the forest know him because of his accomplishments but even the Gods know his name and realize how important he is. How great he is that you can say that he is like a God and he is striving to become one but he is not given the opportunity.

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  7. Gilgamesh took the journey in search of eternity. He returned empty handed but i don't think that his journey went in vain.I personally feel that by taking the journey Gilgamesh gets the opportunity to learn that despite of being bestowed by the two third like god character he in true sense was a mortal and that he like any other man must make the best use of short life. I believe that his realization of life that birth and death is his achievement from the long journey.

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  8. I believe that Gilgamesh's journey not ended in failure even though he was unable to achieve the everlasting life. Despite his failure in getting eternal life, he has overcome a lot of obstacles and is regarded as hero by his people. we can not assert that his journey ended in failure just because his last goal is not accomplished, his journey is a tortuous path but bright. Gilgamesh, the son of Ninsun, his story was engraved on a stone. Even in thousand years, people will still remember that Gilgamesh two thirds god and one third man who killed Humbaba and The Bull of Heaven, and even rejected the love of Ishtar. His courage and firm determination is lighting his citizens.

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  9. I due believe that his journey ended in failure but he well be remembered. Even Though he wasn't able to live forever he was able to create that Heretic symbol of himself that he was trying to achieve. Also Gilgamesh showed a great effort in his journey even though it did not end with success.

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  10. Gilgamesh was never meant to succeed in his journey. His destiny was to die like any other man. No matter how hard he tried, death had to be his end. even though he is part god, that 1/3 man still makes him mortal. Finding eternal life would just be contradictory.
    The one part of the story that did make him look like a faliure was when Utnapishtim promised him to tell him his secret if he could stay awake for 7 days. He fell asleep a minute after the bet! It made it seem like he didnt even try. And then he told them that he had only just fallen asleep after being asleep for 7 days! I thought he looked like a complete loser.

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  11. Although it may seem as though Gilgamesh failed in his quest for eternal life, I believe that he achieved something greater. He achieved love, compassion and brotherhood with Enkidu,wisdom of a world outside of Uruk, eternal glory and a legacy that surpasses all others. It seems that Gilgamesh's journey isn't a journey to eternal life, but a journey in finding himself. Once thought of as a tyrant by his people in Uruk, we begin to see a different side of him as the journey begins. Instead, we see a man unhappy with his destiny, a man who challenges and seeks to change his destiny, and a man who learns partnership, trust and love with Enkidu. We see a dramatic growth through his brotherhood with Enkidu. At the beginning, Gilgamesh was unrivaled and he believed that he could not seek companionship because he could not find an equal. His love and compassion for Enkidu shows his growth as a man who learns the greatest joy and the greatest sorrow in life.
    At first Gilgamesh's arrogance is displayed in his actions; as the journey goes on after Enkidu dies, we see that Gilgamesh's search for eternal life is perhaps not about prolonging his life, but to have the chance to alter his wrongs in the past. I believe that he realizes that in life nothing is certain and that he cannot always achieve what he seeks for without any consequence. The reason why he carves his story in the stone is to right his wrongs as a king and to perhaps show that the search for eternal life brought more than just forever on earth.
    This epic is not about Gilgamesh's journey and death, it's about what he learns throughout this journey and his growth. To fulfill the destiny that Enlil predicted is Gilgamesh's eternal life. His story, the walls he built around Uruk, and his loyalty to Enkidu is far greater than what any other mortal could do. I believe that the perils he experienced, the heartbreak and the sorrow made him a stronger man. Gilgamesh did not need eternity to leave his mark on this world. That, in itself, is what makes Gilgamesh's journey successful.

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  12. I believe that Gilgamesh's journey ended in failure.

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  13. Yes and no. No in the sense that he did not return with immortality. Yes in the sense that he came to the realization that immortality is not the goal of man's existence and that humanity as a whole is immortal.

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  14. Gilgamesh was the most fortune man in that era. He was the king with power, beauty and two- third god. He has achieved success in his life. He has always been fortune in his life, even in search of eternity life. Utnapishtim told him about the secret of Gods, the plant that will help to restore the youth. On his way to his country Uruk, he was able to found the plant but he did not eat. Gilgamesh wanted to test it before he takes the plant. He did not believe Utnapishtim word who gave him sheltered and helped to go back to his country. Gilgamesh and Urshanabi stopped for the night. Gilgamesh went to take bath and snake smells the plant and took it. I think one makes his own destiny; he lost what he had because of his own stupidity. He would have eaten that plant as soon as he found it and get the youth instead of testing on someone. Gilgamesh was not sure what he wanted.

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  15. In Gilgamesh’s perspective, he knows that he’ll face the death as he was told by Shamash that he’s destined to live as a god in this world, but dies as a human at the end. Yet, he doesn’t want to accept the conception of pre-determination because he sees it as a failure. Moreover, he has a horrifying and unacceptable image of life after world that demonstrates glorious kings of this world that have turn to servants living a miserable condition in the other world. In Shamash’s perspective, I think he doesn’t want to grant Gilgamesh immortality, since he already knows that Gilgamesh and his companion Enkidu have broken the law. And if the wrote punishment of humans by gods is death, by granting immortality to Gilgamesh, he’ll be the first human that can’t be punished by gods. Therefore, Gilgamesh’s quest is beyond his destiny, and he failed to find an everlasting life.

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  16. I believe that the journey and his ending was not a complete failure since he learned to love others and really care for his people after abusing his power for such a long time. Even though he was unable to achieve eternal life, he learned that after living on earth as much possible as a God as he could be, it was his destiny to die as a regular human being. He had always had power due to his 2/3 God life that he had however as it came time to face the 1/3 human that was in him he wasn't strong enough to face death; which was pictured as something not wanted by humans, a place where there was only darkness and no happiness at all. Even after being part God he was not able to excape death and will forever be remember as a hero. I believe that in order to be remember as a hero he has to die since it is the people that die at the end of a long journey that others left behind will remember the most.

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  17. I don't think Gilgamesh's journey ended in failure. Even though he could not get immortality, he did accomplish what he wanted, which is to be remembered by a descendant as he said, "men will say of me, 'Gilgamesh has fallen in fight with ferocious Humbaba.' Long after the child has been born in my house, they will say it, and remember." He also learned the ultimate meanings of life and death throughout the journey he had been through. Therefore, I think the journey was worth it and successful.

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  18. I believe that Gilgamesh’s journey ended in failure because he did not reach his goal which was to get immortal life. However, for his citizen, they might believe that Gilgamesh’s journey resulted in successful because Gilgamesh became a great king in Uruk. That was the reason that Gilgamesh became famous through out thousand years.

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  19. After being shunned in class for being American and actually watching the Superbowl and betting on it and winning, I think I need to redeem myself and spread my keystrokes all over this "piece."

    I have to agree with Brian but in a slightly different way. I think the journey was a complete success. He did indeed achieve eternal life. Not conventionally, i.e. he did not PHYSICALLY live forever. However, here we are thousands, and thousands of years later still speaking about Gilgamesh. So in essence, he is still alive.

    I think had he succeeded in his quest for eternal life, he would have in essence failed to be remembered. I think what makes human accomplishments special, is the fact that we only have "x" years to accomplish them. We are dying from the moment we are born. What are we to do with our life on earth? How will be make our mark on the world? Time, ticking away, is a stimulus, a catalyst, pushing us towards our desires. If we had forever to do something, would we ever get around to it? How long would it take? I think death is what makes life special.

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  21. Gilgamesh's journey was a long and strenuous one. However, it still ended in failure. He did not obtain immortality. they should change the name from "the epic of gilgamesh" to "the tragedy of gilgamesh".

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  22. i believe that Gilgamesh went through alot in his journey through this epic and i believe that it was not a failure because i feel like he found brotherhood and something stronger and better than eternal life. what him and enkidu went through and they did bond, i feel that Gilgamesh won eternal life without actually receiving it.

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  23. I do not beleive that Gilgamesh's journey ended in failure. The people of Mesopotamia believed in a pre determined universe, the concept of destiny. Destiny being the human condition, mortality. Gilgamesh was aware of this condition and his fate but still decided to challenge his condition. It is true that Utnapishtim was granted immortality but that was his destiny not Gilgamesh's. Gilgamesh is not a failure because he wasn't supposed to acheive immortality in the fist place so how can someone fail when they cannot win? Even though Gilgamesh didn't become an immortal his name and story are still spoken of till this day, so in sense he achieved immortality. Besides the mission for immortality, Gilgamesh learned of friendship through Enkidu along with sorrow. Before Enkidu Gilgamesh was a tyrant, but once together Gilgamesh learned of friendship, love and sorrow which he never felt before. Gilgamesh's journey opend his eyes to many new feelings and helped him acheive heroism, this maked his name and story carry on till today.

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  24. Gilgamesh's journey did not end in failure. Even though he didn't recieve eternal life and died, he accomplished so much when he was alive. All his accomplishments makes him a hero. From slaying the bull to killing Humbaba. With everything he has achieved he is still remembered even today.

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  25. From my point of view the answer is no, because it all depends of the way how you can perceive the end of the Epic. At the beginning of the Epic Gilgamesh used to be a bad person whom damage a big number of people in Uruk with his "power". Also he always wanted perpetual his name without paying attention to the consequences. That was his main goal and at the end he reached it not the way he wanted; however, by changing his way of acting and also by showing true love and respect to the people around him.

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  26. I agree with Simon's post, if Gilgamesh journey was the quest for eternal life. He failed, even though he concurred many obstacles. The ultimate goal of immortality was not possible and therefore that journey was a failure.

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  27. I think Gilgamesh didnt fail at all, because if we look at the obstacles he achieved that was a great success. Gilgamesh had very little time to achieve the ultimate goal of immortality, although he didnt achieve it but still he tried and achieve some obstacles. Gilgamesh and enkidou went through alot and in the end they achieved brotherhood which is better than immortality and acceptable in real life situation.

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  28. i do believe that, although gilgamesh didi not get what he sought to get which was importal lufe in a way he did gain some wisdom and realised that even he was stupid to try and get what no man dereves

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